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The Wayback on Wednesday: (from 1998) Faerie versus Fairy

by Mary Jo Putney & Karen Harbaugh (a 1998 Write Byte)

 

LLB: I recently read and thoroughly enjoyed Irish Magic II. It reminded me of a question I’ve had on my mind for quite some time now. If you’ve read many historicals set in Ireland or Scotland, you’ll no doubt have noticed that the land of faerie can be a dangerous one. Why do we in this country have this benign and rather cute view of fairies (Tooth Fairy, etc), when the Irish/Scots view is so different? The best I could come up with was that the Church had to turn the pagan faerie evil in order to advance Catholicism. Because Mary Jo Putney had participated in the Faery Magic anthology, I put my question, along with my conclusion, to her. She set me straight, and directed me to Karen Harbaugh with her response.

Mary Jo Putney:

Great question! Actually, I suspect that it isn’t Catholicism, but paganism, that’s at the core. British faeries were rooted in the old animistic, pre-Christian deities. They are always shown as closely tied to nature – powerful, beautiful, unpredictable, sometimes cruel. Rather like nature is regarded in all primitive societies, I think. Placate the local deities, and they will grant blessings. Offend them, and suffer.

When people immigrated to this country, they brought the fairy tales and told them to their kids, but the stories were cut off from their primal roots. They became – just stories, no longer a form of traditional wisdom. And of course this country was such a melting pot–if there are a dozen traditions co-existing in one neighborhood, none of them are going to have great power. They become picturesque, not powerful.

The person to get going on this is Karen Harbaugh – she is a fabulous analyst of underlying patterns!

So, I got in touch with Karen, who participated with Mary Jo in Faery Magic. She has also included a bit of magic and the paranormal in many of her Regency Romances, including The Vampire Viscount and her Cupid series. Here is what Karen had to say:

Karen Harbaugh:

Blame it on Disney.

Actually, you could go back farther than that – you can blame the Victorians. Victorians tended to “prettify” and “weaken” anything of a mythical or spiritual nature. For instance, the angels in the Bible were definitely male (though there is also evidence in old legends and religious texts for female angels) of great strength and power. John Milton, in his Paradise Lost poem of the 17th century, has powerful male and female angels. William Blake, the visionary Regency-era poet and artist, painted his angels as muscular and powerful men. Keats, another Regency-era poet, in his poem, La Belle Dame Sans Merci, has in it a dangerous and extremely seductive adult female faery. No baby cherubs or Tinkerbells there!

But after the Regency era, around the beginning of Queen Victoria’s reign, people started depicting both faerie and angels as teeny little children or tiny, almost sexless females.

Gone were the seductive male faeries – like Barbara Samuel’s Love Talker (or Gancomer) in the Faery Magic anthology – who made women delirious with desire. Barbara’s hero was based on real legend. Gone were the powerful male angels who wielded swords and wrought vengeance upon evil…and at one time looked on the daughters of men and found them desirable. The premise in the recent movie, City of Angels, is closer in spirit to recorded legend than people think.

Why the Victorians did this, I’m not entirely sure. I know they put the upper class and middle class women on pedestals, and claimed they were the civilizing force of mankind. Excuse me, not “force” – influence. Moral Victorian women were not allowed to be forceful. They were supposed to be meek and mild. In other words, women were supposed to be wimpy female angels and the guardians of men’s morals (thereby, I suspect, allowing men to not watch out for their own morals and blame it on women if men went wrong somewhere).

And hey, since fairies had wings, just like angels, they must be female, too, only very tiny, because they can’t be as good as angels, not being Christian. Yeah, I know, a backward sort of reasoning, but there it is.

Disney took up where the Victorians left off, and in fact made most of the fairy tales in Disney movies fairly saccharine and bled them dry of their power and danger. This version of fairies and fairy tales became widely spread, and that’s what’s stuck with us ever since.

To this day, on Christmas or on any other day, you’ll see nothing but female or baby angels, or female or child fairies. Makes you wonder how they propagate.

Mary Jo is right in that the Irish/Scots/Gaelic version of faeries – in fact, most “old country” versions – is based on old pagan beliefs and the belief in nature spirits. Some were small, some were human-sized or larger, some were hideous, and some were extraordinarily handsome and seductive. They could be as unpredictable and as cruel as nature, or as kind, because they were of nature, influenced it, and were influenced by it.

I also agree with Mary Jo that the fairy tales and beliefs in the faeries were watered down more as they immigrated to this country. But the Victorians had already done the damage, so to speak, before the great waves of immigrants came here.

I like the old versions the best – it makes for fun stories and great conflict. Besides, there’s not a lot you can do with sexless Tinkerbells as main characters in romance novels.


So, AAR readers? What are your favorite fairy tales?

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Eggletina
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03/26/2020 4:10 pm

For anyone interested in Irish folklore, one of my favorite children’s books is Padraic Colum’s The King of Ireland’s Son. I still have my old paperback with the illustrations by Willy Pogany.

Nan De Plume
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03/26/2020 1:40 pm

For those interested in modern fairy tales for teens and adults, I recommend World Weaver Press’s anthologies. They are a small SF & F publisher in Albuquerque, NM that occasionally produces retellings and modern versions of fairy tales in addition to optimistic solarpunk Sci Fi. Their catalog is here: https://www.worldweaverpress.com/store/c4/Anthologies_and_Collections.html.

Also check out “After the Happily Ever After: A Collection of Fractured Fairy Tales,” published by Transmundane Press, an indie SF & F press in Guthrie, Oklahoma. I haven’t read this one, but it looks interesting.

Sometimes those small presses produce the most interesting and unusual stuff, don’t they?

Lil
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03/26/2020 10:41 am

I hated Hans Christian Anderson’s tales when I was a kid. The Little Girl Who Trod on a Loaf gave me nightmares, and so did The Ice Queen. The punishments meted out to children seemed a bit much.
On the other hand, being apparently a blood-thirsty child, I didn’t mind at all the gruesome punishments handed out to the villains in the Grimms’ fairy tales. I liked the version of Cinderella where the wicked sisters fit into the slipper by cutting off a piece of their foot and are betrayed by the dripping blood. As I recall, a raven points this out to the dimwitted prince.
Perhaps modern horror stories are the descendants of traditional folk tales — there are powers out there that you shouldn’t mess with.

Nan De Plume
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Reply to  Lil
03/26/2020 12:11 pm

Ooh! Speaking of ravens, that reminds me of another fairy tale I liked- a sanitized version of “The Seven Ravens.” I loved the plucky little heroine who rescued her seven brothers who had been turned into ravens by a curse.

Annelie
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Reply to  Lil
03/26/2020 2:11 pm

I. too didn’t like Andersen’s fairy tales that aren’t really fairy tales as they only contain fairytale elements . I still Don’t like them.
The fairytales collected and edited by the Brothers Grimm contain cruel elements but mostly concerning the punishment of the evil persons. Children see these punishments as just reward for all the crimes they have commited. And so their world at the end of the fairytale is again in order. Bruno Bettelheim vindicated the fairytales after they had been banished from children’s literature for beeing too cruel. The softened and “Disneyed” versions have no real foundation. They may be nice sweet stories but don’t have the same positive impact on the children’s psyche as the true versions.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Lil
03/26/2020 5:27 pm

I remember that version of Cinderella all too well! I was a bloodthirsty child too! One sister cuts off her big toe at the Stepmother’s urging then one cuts off a part of her heel. The prince falls for it twice until the ravens sing to him “look back, look back there’s blood on the track!” As each respective evil stepsister was leaving a trail of blood behind them. At the end the stepmother or all of them get their eyes poked out.

And that’s not even the worst one.

Has anyone ever seen “Snow White A Tale of Terror”? It’s an absolutely beautiful and gory version with Sigourney Weaver as the originally well intending but jealous and ultimately crazy/evil stepmother. It’s steeped in Grimm-ness and is a treat for the eyes. I highly recommend it.

Nan De Plume
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Reply to  Chrisreader
03/26/2020 7:09 pm

Here’s another thing. Fairy tales are *filled* with plot holes. Case in point, Prince Head-in-the-Clouds has no recollection whatsoever of what the girl he was dancing with looks like? Not even a general physical description beyond her shoe size? I’m sure there are versions that manage to include a workaround, but seriously? Moreover, why didn’t the glass slippers turn into old holey shoes or whatever at the stroke of midnight? Yeah, yeah, Fairy Godmother gave them to her separately from the rest of the getup but blah blah blah. Stuff like that. I was pretty attentive to those kinds of issues as a kid…

One time a plot hole turned out to be funny was in the Russian fairytale “The Frog Princess” where the king had his three sons shoot an arrow into the forest to marry whoever found each arrow. (Uh… okay? May I inquire why exactly?) And, wouldn’t you know it, his youngest son has to marry a frog. Of course, she isn’t really a frog but a beautiful woman under a curse, but you know what I mean…

Annelie
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Reply to  Chrisreader
03/27/2020 4:47 pm

No ravens, pigeons! The same pigeons that helped cinderella sorting out the peas her stepmother had thrown in the ashes of the hearth. And no glass slipper too, just a normal but pretty shoe!

GraceC
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03/26/2020 7:58 am

Re: Hans Andersen’s Little Mermaid, it was the main reason I refused to watch the Disney version for the longest time because I knew the original ending was really heartbreaking. Then I succumbed to it one day and my romance loving heart ended up appreciating Disney’s happy ending version.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  GraceC
03/26/2020 9:24 am

Yes I always found the original bitterly unfair and remember thinking (can’t she just write him a note?) I also thought it was so sad and sweet she wouldn’t stab the prince with the knife her sisters sold their hair to the sea witch to buy. She wouldn’t sacrifice him even to become a mermaid again and rejoin her family. I really love the Disney version too.

Nan De Plume
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Reply to  Chrisreader
03/26/2020 12:07 pm

“Can’t she just write him a note?” Maybe in Hans Christian Andersen’s world, merfolk are illiterate?

Regarding Mr. Andersen, I have read some interesting analyses here and there that suggest based on letter and diary evidence that he was a biromantic asexual. Given the restrictions of the time period, he was probably in a constant state of unrequited love which may have given his fictional work dark, heartbreaking tones. Just an interesting aside.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Nan De Plume
03/26/2020 5:30 pm

I also read he couldn’t understand social cues and ruined his friendship/correspondence with Charles Dickens by showing up and parking himself at Dickens’ House as an unwanted guest for weeks.

Isn’t author trivia fun! But yes he seems like he was a very sad guy.

Nan De Plume
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Reply to  Chrisreader
03/26/2020 6:55 pm

Yes, I love author trivia! Movie trivia is also a favorite. I’m definitely one of those people who listens to entire DVD audio commentary tracks of favorite films to learn the cool behind the scenes stuff. There’s even a website called DVD Talk that rates audio commentaries, but I digress…

“I also read he couldn’t understand social cues…” Yeah, that was probably an issue too. Not to get too heavily invested in nature vs nurture, but he sort of grew up in an insane asylum because his grandmother worked there. It wouldn’t surprise me if that had significant bearing on his mental state and storytelling proclivities as well.

Susan/DC
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03/25/2020 10:14 pm

Sylvia Townsend Warner wrote short stories about fairies for the New Yorker, and her fairies resembled Greek gods more than Disney’s Tinkerbell. They could bestow gifts on humans when the humans amused them, but generally they were indifferent to human suffering or emotions. The fairy world in Emma Bull’s “War for the Oaks” is also richer and crueler than the Victorian or 20th C versions. And old Irish fairy tales are full of cautionary tales about what happened to children or young people who were stolen by the fairies – little of it good.

Chrisreader
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03/25/2020 9:33 pm

I think what the author discusses is true across the board- the darkness and bite of fairy tales and folklore has been siphoned out of it to make it softer, safer and more palatable for children and modern audiences.

I remember finding a book of original Grimm’s fairytales when I was young and that was an eye opener! What a difference from the fluffy versions I was used to reading.

Same with Hans Christian Anderson’s darker and depressed stories. Would anyone be happy singing along with the Little Mermaid’s songs when she loses her love and turns to sea foam at the end?

Nan De Plume
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Reply to  Chrisreader
03/25/2020 10:15 pm

“the darkness and bite of fairy tales and folklore has been siphoned out of it to make it softer, safer and more palatable for children and modern audiences.” This is why I always roll my eyes whenever I see some article or another insisting that children *need* fairy tales for moral development, character, or whatever, when they were never originally intended for children. Indeed, what we think of as “children’s literature” is a fairly new concept. As for modern audiences, let’s also not forget that people of all ages- including children- used to watch executions for fun. My point in mentioning all this is that fairy tales were very much a product of their time- a time that was hardly genteel.

As for HEAs in some fairy tales, some of the comeuppances the villains receive are a bit dark at any age. Even the version of Snow White I read as a child ends with the wicked queen being tortured to death by having to dance in heated iron shoes. Yikes!!!

I was never a huge fan of fairy tales, but some stories I did like (which were definitely sanitized versions) included “The Twelve Dancing Princesses” (the princes were hypnotized in this one instead of poisoned…), “The Firebird” (HEA version), and the little known “Snow White and Rose Red” (no relation to Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.) “Puss in Boots” appealed to my dark side in that the anti-hero triumphed through deception… Never was a fan of “Peter Pan” (I thought every character was either a jerk or a pushover), liked the English translation of “Pinocchio” when I was older.

Although I had a lovely illustrated version of “Rumpelstiltskin,” I always thought the story was messed up beyond belief to the point of thinking, “Dude, I’m kind of rooting for Rumpelstiltskin. He saves the woman three times from a despot who intends to murder her if she doesn’t spin wheat into gold only to have her MARRY THE GUY. Can’t help but thinking Rumpelstiltskin might have provided a safer environment for the babe…”

Nan De Plume
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
03/26/2020 12:02 pm

Wow! I never knew that story existed! Thanks for the link, Ms. Grinnan.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Nan De Plume
03/26/2020 9:20 am

The only point I disagree with is that you say the stories weren’t meant for children originally. They were, but not exclusively for them, and they taught really harsh lessons at a time where (as you also point out) even children would see criminals publicly hanged or executed in some way.
Stories like “The Red Shoes” where the young girl begs to have her feet cut off rather than dancing herself to death was definitely aimed at “lazy” or “vain” young girls. The same way “Little Red Riding Hood” was a cautionary tale for young girls who went off the straight and narrow path with a “wolf”.
Even more disturbing is that many stories with evil stepmothers started out with actual mothers and then were changed over time to make them more acceptable.

Nan De Plume
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Reply to  Chrisreader
03/26/2020 12:00 pm

Ah, yes. Good point. “Exclusively” was definitely a better word choice.

“Even more disturbing is that many stories with evil stepmothers started out with actual mothers…” I know, right? And then there’s that whole thing about the original Sleeping Beauty getting raped in her sleep, giving birth to twins, and not waking up until after they’re born and start nursing. This is supposed to teach what exactly? Some of those old classics are just plain perverted.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Nan De Plume
03/26/2020 5:32 pm

Ugh yes, Anne Rice just took that one and ran with it.

Oh some of those mothers were bad news, probably the worst was the one who cooked her child and served it to the (unwitting) father for supper. There’s a lot of dense guys and evil women in these stories.

Nan De Plume
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Reply to  Chrisreader
03/26/2020 7:24 pm

“Ugh yes, Anne Rice just took that one and ran with it.” Ahh, the possibilities of public domain works! In a way, fairy tale retellings are the original fan fiction…

“…cooked her child and served it to the (unwitting) father for supper.” Yikes! There’s a Greek mythology tale similar to that where one of the gods couldn’t bear to have competition so he ate all his children, except the mother hid one and fed her husband a stone in its place. Apparently, he couldn’t tell the difference. Then the kid grew up, cut open the dad, and all his siblings sprang free. HEA I guess?

LeeF
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03/25/2020 5:50 pm

Great look back- very interesting.

Katja
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03/25/2020 10:34 am

Some of the russian ones like Vasilissa the beautiful, the strong Wanja (Iwan), variations of the firebird … I used to have a collection of Russian and White Russian (Belorus) fairy tales and read and reread them quite regularly. Maybe I should do that again.
I do like some of the lesser known Grimm fairy tales, like Jorinde and Joringel, the Goose Girl (which seems to get a lot of retellings lately) or Allerleirauh (of which I Robin Mckinley did a fantastic if very dark retelling called Deerskin).
Kate Crackernuts, The Three Oranges, ….
I could go on and on, but I’d rather receive some reading ideas from others ;)