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A Guest Post and a Giveaway from Rose Lerner

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Happy new year, all!

Being a servant is not a great job. I knew that when I set out to research Listen to the Moon (my new Regency romance about an impassive valet and a snarky maid who marry to get a plum job), and most of what I read just made it seem worse and worse.

Part of why Longbourn (Jo Baker’s Pride and Prejudice retelling from the servants’ point of view) didn’t quite work for me (I DNF’ed a few chapters in) was the constant detailing of servants’ misery. Their hands are dry! They work long hours! They have to empty chamber pots! It felt like there wasn’t anything else in their brains or lives. Of course it’s true that servants’ hands are dry and they work long hours and have to empty chamber pots—but. I don’t know. People with crappy jobs still tell jokes and have emotional lives? Being poor really, really sucks but it doesn’t mean it’s all you think about and that you are 100% miserable 24/7? People are not defined solely by their tragedies?

It’s complicated, but I just feel like, there is a lot of that story out there. The Dickensian “those poor wretched people!” story. I would rather read and write a different kind of story, where bad stuff happens and also people live and laugh and gossip and have work drama and love each other and are sometimes deliriously happy.

That’s why I’m a romance writer, I guess.

So since I didn’t do it in my book, this is my place to really get in there and wallow in what a truly crappy job being a servant was.

I remember as a little kid asking my mom about women’s rights after watching Mary Poppins. She told me that back when many married women didn’t work or have their own bank accounts, they were dependent on their husbands. So you had to hope that your husband was nice, because if he was it could be okay, but if he was mean, there wasn’t a lot you could do about it.

Being a servant was a lot like that. If you had a nice boss, it could be okay. If you didn’t, you were completely screwed. Highlights:

1. The hours. Servants were expected to work from early in the morning to late at night. There was no part of the day that was designated as free time or after work. If their boss needed something in the middle of the night, they’d be woken up.

If I had a nickel for every time I have read a complaint about maids reading novels when they should be working, I would be rich! But when CAN they read novels, then? They are working ALL THE TIME.

They were rarely allowed to have guests, even in the kitchen, so for many servants their only opportunity for a social life outside the home was on their time off, which was a half-day once a week at best and sometimes not even that. (Plus Sunday morning for church in some households.)

Many servants in this time period were maids-of-all-work, meaning they were the only servants a family had. I can’t imagine how lonely that must have been.

2. Employers felt entitled to dictate everything about their servants’ lives. Many female servants were not allowed to date (though of course making a rule is not always the same as being able to enforce it). And they were watched obsessively for any signs of a love life or, God forbid, pregnancy.

Some employers also didn’t even like servants leaving the house! For example, in 1821 John Skinner wrote that he “made it a rule…to state [to new servants] my dislike of them going into the village,” though he did say he would allow them to “go home to their friends, or occasionally see them here”.

Bridget Hill writes in Servants: English Domestics in the Eighteenth Century (a really great resource) that “So great was the desire of some masters to keep their servants at home that they locked them in when they went out. So when Mr. Goodwin, the minister at Tankersley, went to church, he locked his maid and two children in the house.”

Remember that Regency locks usually worked differently than modern ones: they were key-and-keyhole locks, where you could lock them, put the key in your pocket, and walk away, and the door would be locked from both sides. No fire codes here!

3. Which leads to…no privacy. Outside of country estates with dedicated servants’ quarters or wings (and I don’t think they were entirely universal at country houses, even, in this time period), servants could not count on having a bed, let alone a room to themselves. They might sleep in closets, on landings, or even on the kitchen floor. Their rooms didn’t always have doors. And as Hill notes, “wherever their quarters were, something that was common to them all was that they could rarely be locked.” If there was a key, housekeepers or employers kept it, not the servants themselves.

4. The above quote from Hill is from a chapter titled “The Sexual Vulnerability and Sexuality of Female Domestic Servants.” I feel like I don’t even really need to say more. Servants who were harassed or assaulted had very little recourse and were likely to find themselves out of a job if they spoke up. They were also almost certain to find themselves out of a job if they got pregnant.

(Though this problem affected female servants disproportionately, of course it wasn’t limited to them.)

Caption: “Register Office for the Hiring of Servants,” Thomas Rowlandson, c.1800-05. Image Credit: Yale Center for British Art, Paul Mellon Collection. Source link: http://collections.britishart.yale.edu/vufind/Record/1670734
Caption: “Register Office for the Hiring of Servants,” Thomas Rowlandson, c.1800-05. Image Credit: Yale Center for British Art, Paul Mellon Collection.
Source link: http://collections.britishart.yale.edu/vufind/Record/1670734

5. Have I mentioned that employers really, really did not want their servants to get pregnant? They often couched this in terms of virtue, respectability, morality, etc. but the truth is that employers also did not want their servants to get married, because either way the pregnancy was inconvenient for them. Hill writes:

“Marriages between fellow servants were fraught with difficulties. On the whole few masters seem to have employed married couples as servants. If two servants within the same household wanted to marry custom dictated they ask for the permission of their master—and such permission could be withheld—or leave the household…Employers were apprehensive that a married couple, particularly if they had children, would be as much concerned with their own family as their master’s. But if marriage between two servants was to have any chance of success the married couple needed to be employed in one household.”

6. You did not even always get paid! Hill writes that “Wages were frequently not paid on time. Indeed, in order that servants could pay ‘for anything missing’ it was recommended (by John Trusler in The London Advisor and Guide, 1790) that employers ‘keep part of their wages in hand’, and that ‘they should always be paid one half year under another, reserving half-a-year in hand.’” Trusler points out that servants could not legally be compelled to pay for broken items ‘unless it was so agreed on the hiring,’ but the fact is that many employers applied wage penalties (over and above lost time) for all kinds of infractions: breaking things, leaving before the agreed-on date, going home for the holidays, not going to church, badly done work, neglect, getting drunk, etc.

A servant whose claim for unpaid wages was under £10 could have their case heard by a magistrate very cheaply, but who knows how many servants were aware of this right or dared take advantage of it? A servant who was owed more presumably had to sue if they wanted to collect.

7. This will probably surprise no one, but women servants were paid far below men servants. Boswell wrote in 1791:

“I put a question to him [Dr. Johnson] upon a fact in common life, which he could not answer, nor have I found any one else who could. What is the reason that women servants, though obliged to be at the expense of purchasing their own clothes, have much lower wages than men servants, to whom a great proportion of that article is furnished, and when in fact our female house servants work much harder than the male?”

Good question, Mr. Boswell!

(Note: with the exception of footmen, etc. who wore livery, there were no uniforms for servants in this period. Sometimes female servants were provided with clothes or the fabric to make them, but it was less a matter of custom and more one of the employer’s discretion.)

caption: "Progress of the Toilet - THE STAYS," James Gillray, c. 1818. Image credit: The British Library.
caption: “Progress of the Toilet – THE STAYS,” James Gillray, c. 1818. Image credit: The British Library.

For many female domestic servants, the goal was for it to be a “life-cycle job”, i.e. something she did in her teens and early twenties and then graduated out of, hopefully through marriage. But finding a life partner is never a guarantee, and it was especially difficult for a servant to 1) meet someone and 2) save for a dowry. So this didn’t always pan out—which sucked because domestic work was very physically demanding, and a woman’s wages might actually decrease as she aged, yet she could rarely afford to retire.

For workers in a great house like the ones owned by many Regency romance characters, service made more sense as a lifelong career: there were some opportunities for advancement (ladies’ maid, cook, housekeeper, upper housemaid, etc.) and it must have made the work much more tolerable long-term to have other servants to hang out with and to not have your employer breathing down your neck all the time.

On the other hand, specialized servants in a large house who did want to marry might find themselves at a disadvantage. Hill writes:

“There is a late eighteenth-century ‘penny-history’ in which Ned advises his friend, Harry, against marrying a chambermaid ‘for they bring nothing with them but a few old cloaths [sic] of their mistresses, and for housekeeping, few of them know anything of it; for they can hardly make a pudding or a pye, neither can they spin, nor knit, nor wash, except it be a few laces to make themselves fine withal.’”

6. The Regency was one of the last stages in the transition from feudalism to capitalism. I’m not trying to toot feudalism’s horn here. But every crappy economic system is unique, and one aspect of feudalism was that in it, the model of “service” was (at least theoretically) understood to be one of mutual rights and responsibilities. Noblesse oblige and all that. The capitalist model, of course, is one of contractual wage labor.

To illustrate how drastically things shifted: in the eighteenth century, “family” often still simply meant “household” and included apprentices, servants, etc. George Washington’s aides-de-camp, for example, were widely referred to as his “family,” because they traveled with him and were usually accommodated in the same house. As the Victorian era neared, the new ideals of hearth and home and “private life” meant that “family” began to refer only to those related by blood.

For servants who lived with their employers, this transition had numerous disadvantages, often with fewer corresponding gains in independence than, say, a factory worker. Employers resented servants because their presence inherently compromised precious privacy (one reason, in tandem with technological advances like bell-pulls that could call servants from another part of the house, for the increase in designated servants’ quarters).

Class barriers hardened, and as the perceived gulf between employer and employee widened, intimacy between servants and employers came to be seen as “dangerous”, especially to impressionable children.

And even as their own loyalty to servants shrank (with less perceived obligation to provide for sick or old servants, for example), employers bitterly resented the loss of servants’ loyalty and gratitude. As Hill says, “[T]heir concern about servants spying on them and gossiping became almost paranoid.

“The servant problem” is obsessively discussed in eighteenth century and frankly it makes me gag every time. Let me tell you, I had a really hard time finding images for this post that weren’t either A) condescending caricature/satire, B) racist, C) porn, or D) all of the above.

You know what, rich Regency people? If you don’t like it, do your own damn laundry!

7. And on top of all that which is specific to servants, there are still all the general problems of non-unionized labor, and that in a time before labor laws of any kind: no pension, no health insurance, no job security, no OSHA, no limit on working hours, etc., etc.!

Again, happy new year! And, if you’d like to be entered in a drawing for an eBook of Listen to the Moon, just leave a comment below.

P.S. When a new book comes out, I always post a free short story about the characters in my last book, based on reader requests. For Listen to the Moon, I wrote about my con artist hero from True Pretenses and his brother running a scam on Aaron Burr, who just happened to be in the same part of England on Christmas 1808…. To read it, visit my page here.


 

Rose Lerner discovered Georgette Heyer when she was thirteen, and wrote her first historical romance a few years later. Her writing has improved since then, but her fascination with all things Regency hasn’t changed. She lives in Seattle with her best friend. Listen to the Moon is the third book in her Lively St. Lemeston series. The first two books, Sweet Disorder and True Pretenses are currently on sale at Amazon.

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Rosie
Rosie
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01/06/2016 1:25 am

This is one of the reasons why I feel fortunate to be living in this era and not during those times. Thanks for the informative post and I can’t wait to read your newest release.

Elizabeth Harmon
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01/04/2016 5:52 pm

Fascinating post about servant’s lives. This topic is all but ignored in historical romance and I look forward to reading the book.

Dana Hardman
Dana Hardman
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01/03/2016 11:16 pm

Thanks for the post. Just bought Sweet Disorder. Looking forwa4s to it.

jaime
jaime
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01/03/2016 8:31 pm

Great article! Yes, I have never understood why people want to live in the “”good old days””. And I am always pleased when I come across a historical romance that is not about aristocrats.

I second the love for Jill Paton Walsh’ Lord Wimsey continuation. I love those books.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  jaime
01/03/2016 8:36 pm

I will have to bump them even further up the TBR pile. :) Thank you!

Elysa
Elysa
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01/02/2016 11:03 pm

I loved Sweet Disorder, so I’m definitely looking forward to this one.

As for the article, I love the glimpse into the research it takes for an author to draw a reader into a foreign time. I appreciate the work and effort.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Elysa
01/03/2016 5:54 pm

Thank you! I love doing it. :) I’m glad you liked the post!

Violet Bick
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01/02/2016 10:44 pm

Thank for the very interesting — and informative — post. And thank you for the short story featuring Aaron Burr. For a real-life person, he is such a fascinating, compelling character (in that “”if this wasn’t true, you wouldn’t believe it”” kind of way).

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Violet Bick
01/03/2016 5:53 pm

Thank you! I’m glad you liked the short story. I too find Aaron Burr weirdly fascinating…he’s a bit like Byron that way, he just draws you in.

susan
susan
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01/02/2016 6:57 pm

Looking forward to Listen to the Moon.

Rose Lerner
Rose Lerner
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Reply to  susan
01/02/2016 7:10 pm

Thank you!!

Paula Shene
Paula Shene
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01/02/2016 4:48 pm

Excellent article. I read Heyer when young and in my opinion, she did not pull many punches in her characterizations. Her stories have stuck and while I love reading of that era, I feel fortunate not to live in it. Looking forward to getting introduced to your stories.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Paula Shene
01/02/2016 7:10 pm

What do you mean about not pulling punches?

I am always stunned when I see someone say they would really like to live in the Regency/Victorian/whatever era. I just can’t imagine feeling that way! But I do love reading about it. :) I’m glad you liked the post!

Kim
Kim
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01/02/2016 1:55 pm

It’s hard to imagine only getting a half-day off once a week.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Kim
01/02/2016 7:07 pm

I know! And that was if you were LUCKY. :(

Sonya Heaney
Sonya Heaney
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01/02/2016 1:00 pm

Oh, I loved Longbourn! It seems you either love it or hate it. I know some readers didn’t like Jane and Elizabeth Bennet being painted in a (slightly) bad light…

Funny that I was just reading the history of one of Britain’s most famous tabloids. The titled founder got one of his teenaged housemaids pregnant when he was sixteen!

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Sonya Heaney
01/02/2016 7:06 pm

Interesting! I didn’t actually mind seeing a more negative view of the Bennets (I always felt really sorry for Mrs. Hill in P&P, because when Mrs. Bennet is freaking out all the girls run away and leave poor Mrs. Hill to deal with it). If I’m remembering correctly, I thought the book (at least the first part that I read) was actually quite nice about Jane and Lizzie! Did it get worse later?

What happened to girl and her baby, did it say?

Maureen
Maureen
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01/02/2016 12:16 pm

It sounds like such a tough time but I agree the servants still had to have some joy and happiness in their lives

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Maureen
01/02/2016 7:04 pm

Well said. :)

LeeF
LeeF
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01/02/2016 10:11 am

I am reading True Pretenses now and love the characters, just as I did when I read Sweet Disorder. I look forward to reading Listen to the Moon.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  LeeF
01/02/2016 7:02 pm

Yay, thank you!! I hope you like #3. :)

The Breakfast Octopus
The Breakfast Octopus
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01/02/2016 7:54 am

Your post is informative and rage-inducing. No locks on doors, if you even had a door?! Ugh?!

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  The Breakfast Octopus
01/02/2016 7:02 pm

Right?? Even worse (maybe?), if there WAS a lock, someone ELSE had the key. I read one story where the housekeeper (on her employer’s instructions) started locking a couple of servants into their rooms at night because they were suspected of having an affair.

Blackjack1
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01/01/2016 8:21 pm

Dabney..””One of my kids is at an Ivy and they are embracing trigger warnings there.””

Who are the “”they”” here? Administrators? Faculty? Students? How is this “”embracing”” taking place? Student complaints about faculty lectures? Student complaints about syllabi? Once an academic department approves a syllabus, all faculty are protected and lectures are not censured, anywhere, otherwise you’re entering lawsuit territory under higher education First Amendment rights. I’m on curriculum committees and work with administrators, who are very, very careful about stepping into content debates. That all takes place at the departmental level. That’s not all to say that we’re in an era where universities want student business and so we’re all sensitive to power struggles between the finances of the business itself versus the freedom of speech academia promotes.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Blackjack1
01/01/2016 8:23 pm

I only see this from the student perspective so I don’t have the answers to your questions. I can only say my child has had trigger warnings on a few–not many–of his syllabi.

Blackjack1
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
01/01/2016 9:17 pm

Well, unfortunately this sounds a little vague to know how to address it fully. I, for instance, spend many hours constructing syllabi that are very comprehensive. I want students to know what they will be reading, what issues they’ll be examining, what approaches they’ll be using, what research will be needed, etc. A syllabus is a contract so that faculty are protected from student complaints and students have very clear expectations. Universities teach all sorts of hot button issues, including “”Ivy League”” schools, and it’s fair for all parties to know what they are doing as a course gets underway. I would frankly be very surprised if a faculty member was asked to accommodate a student by coming up with a different syllabus for someone. Disability accommodations or even Title IX laws do not require subject content change under law.

So-called “”political correctness”” at colleges and universities is under attack largely from the political right in our country, and so I’m suspicious about such arguments.

To get back to Rose Lerner’s trigger warning, I have seen readers post messages here at AAR that they want to be informed by reviewers if writing contains topics that are of a “”sensitive”” nature. I don’t mind disclosures, even though I don’t need them myself. I suppose I take the same view as I do with a syllabus in that a comprehensive piece of writing can clarify the content a reader will encounter.

Heather
Heather
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01/01/2016 8:10 pm

Hey Rose great article. Weirdly enough my book club was just talking about non-aristocratic historical romances- which made me so happy because for YEARS these girls have sassed me for liking romances. I recommended some titles to each of them. They read them with reactions of “”meh”” to “”oh my god yes please more””. And now this year for the first time they have had unprompted discussions about romance novels. I’m so thrilled. They all seem to like historicals and I recommended you to them- so hopefully you’ll have 8 new readers in Texas soon!

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Heather
01/01/2016 8:40 pm

That is fantastic!! There is nothing better than converting people to romance. :) I’m glad they are finally seeing the light, and thanks for recommending me! <3

PamelaPaige
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01/01/2016 7:42 pm

This sounds like a lovely read! I can’t wait to put on my jammies with my best cup of Joe and settle in with your new book! Thank you so much for sharing your inspiration and muse behind the story…..I appreciate a story that despite hardships characters can find joy and happiness thru the simple things in life… a warm fire, the perfect cup of chocolate, etc.that inspires me!

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  PamelaPaige
01/01/2016 8:26 pm

Mmm, now I want a cup of hot chocolate! I hope you like the book. :)

Patricia M
Patricia M
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01/01/2016 7:26 pm

Putting aside the very rich people, most people, not just home servants, worked very hard. Farmers work constantly, with no day off. It has never made sense to me to assume that people would not find ways to make connections and find some joy and beauty even in a hard life.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Patricia M
01/01/2016 8:25 pm

Yes, exactly! Those people in the Little House books never got a break and they thought about all kinds of stuff and had lots of friends and loved ones. :)

JulieR
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01/01/2016 7:15 pm

I always thought the best part of the continuation by Jill Paton Walsh of Dorothy Sayers’ Peter Wimsey series was the larger glimpse we got into the behind-the-scenes life of Bunter.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  JulieR
01/01/2016 7:16 pm

Ooh, that sounds fantastic! I love Bunter. I had no idea someone was continuing the series. It looks like there are 4 out, do you recommend going in order or do you have a favorite?

lor
lor
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Reply to  Rose Lerner
01/02/2016 10:18 pm

I would read them in order – my favourite of the four is ‘The Attenbury Emeralds’.

MD
MD
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01/01/2016 5:51 pm

Really enjoyed reading this post! Looking forward to reading the book as well.

Rose Lerner
Rose Lerner
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Reply to  MD
01/01/2016 5:55 pm

Yay, I’d happy to hear that! I hope you like the book. :D

amers88
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01/01/2016 5:08 pm

I’ll start by saying I mean no disrespect.
I’ve read accounts of colleges where students find things upsetting and are requesting trigger warnings for classes and readings. Some of them are classes in things like social work, nursing and other professions where you need to be prepared for all sorts of “”surprises””. They pop up frequently. I’m grappling with this in general, trying to understand when and why a trigger warning would be necessary. I’m assuming the research you conducted was much more descriptive and chilling than your post and that could be an influence to you.
My problem with over warning? Just that. So much info is out there, so much ugliness and I feel that warnings should be reserved for things that truly deserve it. (For instance if there were specific examples in your post or a graphic description vs using general words, then maybe I wouldn’t have questioned it.) For whatever reason it stood out and I just had to ask. :)
Perhaps people had the same questioning regarding establishing a ratings system (PG, R, X, etc) ? Today as a consumer and parent I appreciate it as a general guide. So at this point I am divided as to whether trigger warnings are truly helpful (a new ratings system) or add a layer of pc (so that everything will eventually need to be labeled either because we don’t want to miss someone’s trigger, or because if there is no warning it will lack drama or appeal, etc) .
I appreciate your patience. I don’t have many opportunities to ask about this (if people are for it, they get upset that you question. If they are against it, they get dismissive. Obviously I think it’s a topic worthy of discussion.)
I don’t mean to distract from your post, which is very informative and interesting!

Blackjack1
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Reply to  amers88
01/01/2016 6:22 pm

I’ve been a college literature teacher for decades now and in academia most of my life. I have never heard of students requesting “”trigger warnings.”” Over the years, I have had a couple of students drop a course early into the semester I’m teaching because they found the content disturbing to them. But out of the hundreds I have taught, that is very rare. I think the whole “”pc”” argument is way overblown. I personally do think that if someone wants to state a trigger warning, fair enough and those that want to heed them can. I’ve never needed them, but I don’t care if others do and I can respect that. Overall this sounds like a fake argument to me.

amers88
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Reply to  Blackjack1
01/01/2016 7:06 pm

Google “”trigger warnings college””. Forbes, NY Times, US News and World Report, etc…all have recent articles on this. I just wrote a paper on it for a class. Not a fake argument. It seems to be a growing trend.

Blackjack1
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Reply to  amers88
01/01/2016 7:44 pm

Instructors are not required to post “”trigger warnings”” on their syllabus at any university at which I have attended or taught or visited for conferences and panel discussions, or at universities where colleagues teach. I have never received a syllabus with such things, nor have I ever posted them on a college syllabus I have distributed to administrators or to students. Higher education takes the First Amendment very seriously, and is actually one of the primary basis for tenure. I have never had a syllabus denied for any “”controversial”” material. Today in academia, there are college courses on pornography, sexuality, rape, incest, race relations, etc., and students get to view a syllabus before deciding to take a course. A syllabus is a contract between a student and an instructor, and it is the student’s responsibility to know in advance what the course is about and whether it meets their needs. A comprehensive syllabus is not the same as a “”trigger warning.”” In my experience, higher education goes to great lengths to allow instructors to teach all sorts of material and it protects instructors’ rights to do so. I am about to teach a course on Muslim and Arab women’s literature this spring, and at a time when anti-Muslim sentiment is at an all-time high in the U.S. I will most certainly not be posting “”trigger warnings”” or giving students that have any anti-Muslim sentiment any accommodations from reading and performing all required tasks. They can read the syllabus in advance and make an informed decision for themselves. The anti-PC attacks against higher education are interesting, and they derive from a politicized position.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Blackjack1
01/01/2016 7:45 pm

One of my kids is at an Ivy and they are embracing trigger warnings there. I sense that the more rarified the institution, the more likely the students are to ask for trigger warnings.

Blackjack1
Blackjack1
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01/01/2016 4:42 pm

Fascinating and tragic histories and wonderful for a romance author to tackle. I’m looking forward to this one!

Rose Lerner
Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Blackjack1
01/01/2016 4:46 pm

o/ The research was really engrossing. I hope you like it!

anon1001
anon1001
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01/01/2016 4:41 pm

Thanks for the giveaway! And the shout out last week about the sale in your newsletter..I just got myself a Kobo so I was able to get both your books in the series for cheap.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  anon1001
01/01/2016 4:44 pm

That’s awesome!! I hope you enjoy them. :)

amers88
amers88
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01/01/2016 3:21 pm

I appreciated the post. It’s interesting to read about author research.
Unfortunately, I’m more interested in discussing the use of a trigger warning. I’m curious why this was deemed necessary. The post was about as vague as the labels used (generic terms like sexual harassment, etc) and contained no graphic detail or specific examples.

Dabney Grinnan
Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  amers88
01/01/2016 3:26 pm

Ms. Lerner asked that it be included. Since she wrote the piece, we were happy to accommodate her wishes.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  amers88
01/01/2016 3:30 pm

I tend to err on the side of caution with warnings, and I found some of the post kind of upsetting when I was writing it. I tend to assume that it’s better to warn when it’s unnecessary than NOT to warn and have someone read something they weren’t prepared for. If you don’t mind, can I ask–what is the problem you see with possible overwarning?

Diana
Diana
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01/01/2016 2:18 pm

Really interesting post– I’m looking forward to reading Listen to the Moon! It’s nice to find a historical romance about non-nobility/ordinary people.

Rose Lerner
Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Diana
01/01/2016 2:24 pm

Thank you! I do love duke books, but variety is the spice of life, isn’t it? I hope you like the book!

Trace
Trace
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01/01/2016 1:48 pm

I love that you write about “”normal”” people. But how many Dukes and Earls and those feisty young virgins were there? any-who… thanks for a refreshing point of view. In for a Penny is one of my top ten. Can’t wait to read “”Listen to the Moon””. :D

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Trace
01/01/2016 2:04 pm

Thank you!! I hope you like it. :)

ML
ML
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01/01/2016 12:30 pm

It’s tough for us today to imagine such a closed and unending work life. Thanks for an interesting overview!

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  ML
01/01/2016 2:03 pm

You are welcome, I’m glad you enjoyed it! It’s kind of amazing how unions and labor organizers and reformers completely changed the idea of the workday, isn’t it? Like, “”weekend”” was barely even a WORD in the Regency.

(Although of course the sad thing is, there are still plenty of people living that way…)

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Rose Lerner
01/01/2016 2:05 pm

And by choice! So odd.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
01/01/2016 2:14 pm

lol, I was definitely not talking about people doing it by choice. I guess there are those too!

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Rose Lerner
01/01/2016 2:32 pm

That’s the American story today, right? The working class works long hours because they have no choice and the upper class works long hours because they believe that, if they don’t, they’ll slip in the hierarchy.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  ML
01/03/2016 8:35 pm

ML, you won the book! Expect an email from me shortly. :)

naomi
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01/01/2016 11:52 am

Thanks for the extra historical background! I’m looking forward to the book.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  naomi
01/01/2016 1:58 pm

o/ I hope you like it!!

Maria D.
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01/01/2016 11:11 am

Really looking forward to reading this. The very real day-to-day challenges of crafting a relationship in the context of busy working lives will be very interesting and a welcome contrast to reading about privileged lives.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Maria D.
01/01/2016 11:22 am

Let me know what you think! :)

I remember when I was a kid, EVERY SINGLE TIME we were in a business co-run by a husband and wife, my mom would say “”Your father and I would kill each other if we tried to work together all day.”” Exploring the challenges of workplace romance was a lot of fun!

Jane A
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01/01/2016 11:07 am

I long for more romances set outside the upper classes, but your post certainly outlines why that “”fairytale”” is so popular! And I too found Longbourn depressing, though I stuck with it to the end. I’m looking forward to a more positive spin on the romantic life of a servant with Listen To The Moon!

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Jane A
01/01/2016 11:20 am

I hope you like it!

I definitely enjoy the fantasy of being fabulously wealthy! But I actually think characters with jobs and occasional money problems is part of what I like so much about the contemporaries I read, so why not have that in some historicals as well?

Muse of Ire
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01/01/2016 10:57 am

I’m so interested in the lives of those who weren’t the elite in the Regency period. I felt odd because I didn’t like Longbourn, but you’ve put your finger on one of the reasons why. Thanks for this post and the resources you’ve identified. I’ve preordered Listening to the Moon and look forward to reading it very much.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Muse of Ire
01/01/2016 11:05 am

I also really expected to like it! Oh well, you can’t win ’em all. :) Let me know what you think of Listen!

Emily
Emily
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01/01/2016 10:05 am

This was interesting to read. I have been really excited to read this book this week. I just started reading Rose Learner’s books and have been really enjoying them. I also love the short stories for each of the books (especially the In for a Penny one. So great.) Thanks!

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Emily
01/01/2016 11:01 am

Thank you!!! Aw, Percy and Louisa are my darlings. I had so much fun writing about Loweston and Nev’s family from his quite different perspective…I’m glad you liked it!

LSUReader
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01/01/2016 8:51 am

Rose, thanks for another interesting post. I’m looking forward to reading Listen to the Moon.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  LSUReader
01/01/2016 11:00 am

Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the post, and I can’t wait to hear what you think of Listen!

Caz
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01/01/2016 8:03 am

This is a fascinating post, Rose, thanks for sharing. Once on the things I thought you did really well in Listen to the Moon was to show the truth of the servant’s life in terms of the workload and hours (and I’ve said that in my review!) but have also shown them to have actual lives and be actual people, even though they had very little personal time in which to do it.

Rose Lerner
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Reply to  Caz
01/01/2016 10:59 am

Thank you so much! That was a big part of what I wanted to do with that aspect of the story, so it’s really nice to know it came through.