The Duke and I

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Now that the tenth and final book has been published in Julia Quinn’s Bridgerton series – one of my favorite series of connected books of all time – has been published, it seemed like the right time to take a return trip back to where it all it started. The Duke and I always comes to mind when people talk about their favorite books in the series, and my reread of this bright and funny novel reminded me of all the reasons just why that is so.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Julia Quinn makes it look so very easy that hundreds of aspiring authors (and their eventual editors) seek to write in the “style” of Julia Quinn. But there is a big – make that a very big – difference between the artistry of the author and that of her far paler imitators and that’s a point I find myself wanting to make again and again.

This first book in the series is actually the story of the fourth Bridgerton child, Daphne. With three very protective older brothers and surrounded by her loving family, Daphne, quite reasonably for a woman in her place and time, wants a husband she can view with affection and the children that marriage will bring. After two Seasons, however, and a few proposals she simply couldn’t bring herself to accept, Daphne hopes seem to be fading since the men to whom she is attracted seem to view her almost like a – perish the thought! – sister.

To describe Simon, Duke of Basset’s, relationship with his now-dead father as strained might be the understatement of the century. A childhood stutterer viewed as an idiot by his idiotic father and denied any love and attention, Simon returned to England upon the death of his hated father to take over his duties as Duke. For reasons of his own – reasons that actually kind of make sense in this case – Simon is determined never to marry.

As a close friend of Anthony, Benedict, and Colin (Daphne’s older brothers and future heroes all), soon enough – well, after a few misadventures, anyway – Simon and Daphne come to an agreement to pretend to be courting with the twin goals of keeping the matchmaking mamas away from Simon and increase Daphne’s chances of attracting a husband. Daphne reasons, you see, that if she is seen to merit Simon’s stamp of approval, other men might begin to view her more favorably.

Well, their scheme works. Perhaps too well when the Bridgerton brothers become (quite understandably) more than a bit suspicious about Simon’s true intentions towards their sister and matters – hey, this is a romance novel – take a turn neither Daphne nor Simon anticipated.

As the first book in the series, Ms. Quinn does a masterful job of introducing a large and lively cast of characters, including Violet, the Bridgertons’ affectionate mother; Lady Danbury, the resident-grumpy-matron-with-a-heart-of-gold destined to play a key role in several books; and, of course, the infamous Lady Whistledown. Yes, ladies, this is the book in which the anonymous scribbler who so effectively skewers all of society makes her very first appearance – well, through her writings anyway. As Bridgerton readers know, her identity isn’t revealed until Romancing Mr. Bridgerton four books down the line and my lips are officially zipped about it here.

The Duke and I is also vintage Julia Quinn in that her knack for writing some of the liveliest and funniest dialogue in romance is decidedly present and accounted for, as is her skill in creating fully three-dimensional characters. In every Julia Quinn book, I find myself really liking her characters, just as I root for their HEA. This is never more clear than with poor, tortured Simon. The Duke could be that clichéd tortured rich boy character we’ve all come to know so well, but in Ms. Quinn’s skilled hands he goes far beyond the clichés and watching his protective façade crack every so slowly when confronted with Daphne and her loving family is one of the great pleasures of the book.

Now that the series is complete and Ms. Quinn is moving on, readers who’ve enjoyed the Bridgertons might well enjoy just as much as I did a look back to where it all started. As I’m sure ever reader knows, you always take a bit of a risk in revisiting a book you loved in the past. Well, I needn’t have worried since, happily, this old favorite actually more than lived up to my fond memories.

Buy it at Amazon/Apple Books/Barnes and Noble/Kobo

Reviewed by Sandy Coleman

Grade: A-

Book Type: Historical Romance

Sensuality: Warm

Review Date: 22/08/06

Publication Date: 2000

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  1. excellent book: interesting, funny dialogs, deep understanding of each character, interesting secondary characters, and also sexy.

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Charina
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05/24/2021 8:37 am

The book (and series) was given a second life and will be re-criticized or hailed because of the Netflix series. And fortunately/unfortunately, however you look at it… it’s going to happen to each book with as a new season releases with the changes they make. For example this doozy.

Women’s Health Magazine lists it on their 25 Best Erotic Novels to Read. I’ve been reading romances for 25+years, I know the difference… and this ain’t one of them. Also read the series, several times, re-read it in anticipation of the Netflix series to refresh my memory… nope still not erotic. In her career, JQ never ventured into the genre.

From the blurb, there’s a sense the reviewers didn’t read the book, nor the series. Just know they’re ‘out’ there… and were more influenced from watching the Netflix series and assumed it/they were as ‘hot’ as it.

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/sex-and-love/a22144267/erotic-novels/

Caz Owens
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Reply to  Charina
05/24/2021 10:32 am

JQ on a list of Erotic novels? SMH…

Charina
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Reply to  Caz Owens
05/24/2021 12:23 pm

I know… baffling. Clearly the authors of the article nor their editors following-up.checking if it’s true. They did not read the book/series nor do they have any understanding of erotic romance.

I sent a DM to one of the editors and told her JQ is not and never has been an author of erotic romance and are misinforming their readers by adding TDAI to such a list. Also… as I stated here, they’re influenced by the Netflix series, which juiced up the sensuality because Rege licked a spoon (wasn’t in the book) and said a line they stole from another book (he burned for Daphne, which was Anthony’s line)

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Charina
05/24/2021 1:08 pm

And they never ask us!

Charina
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
05/24/2021 2:39 pm

Yep… even though the show runners claim they were fans and would stay true to the books. Readers know the intricacies of their books because they’re fans. Which is why there is an ongoing battle between the fandoms of book purists/non-book readers.

My quip with the show, well I had a few; Marina was alive (she didn’t advance any plot), Simon never told Daphne he loved her and it lacked the humor and the sibling banter that’s in the books that JQ is known for.

Caz Owens
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Reply to  Charina
05/24/2021 1:59 pm

As is always the case… sex sells.

Dabney Grinnan
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02/08/2021 1:12 pm

Well–we are soooooo fortunate. The sneer happy critics at Slate have read this and found it wanting.

Really? I mean, this is just silly.

https://slate.com/culture/2021/02/bridgerton-books-review-first-time-romance-duke-and-i.html

chrisreader
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
02/08/2021 4:03 pm

I could have predicted exactly what’s in this “review” without reading a word: big disclaimers that they had NEVER EVER read a romance novel before, snarking about the covers, random references to a “romance” they have heard of before- Twilight (even though it’s not a romance right?) some “intellectual” takes on the whole situation and some references for other books that are really “better” than this kind of “junk”. Ha ha, we are so intellectual and cool. Eye roll.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  chrisreader
02/08/2021 4:17 pm

co-sign

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Lisa Fernandes
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
02/08/2021 6:05 pm

They are getting ratioed to death and I had to join in.

Dabney Grinnan
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12/22/2020 8:16 pm

Whoa. Color me shocked but early reviews of Bridgerton say that the Simon non-consent scene is still in the show. It’s toned down, but it’s there. I am so curious how it will be handled.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/22/2020 8:26 pm

I had a feeling something of the sort would be in the show- otherwise what’s the conflict? There’s not a lot to their story otherwise. If Daphne doesn’t do something wrong too then it’s just Simon being a jerk and her being a doormat.

I was wondering why this novel was selected for adaptation as there isn’t a lot to it. Most of the drama happens in the last part of the book. But then I thought about it and decided it’s easy to Shonda-ize it as it doesn’t have a ton of personality on its own. It’s mostly about going to balls and social events until they end up married. So it can be all visual spectacles, glittering costumes and beautiful people. It’s an easy book to overlay another style or personality on.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/22/2020 8:33 pm

Apparently, they are starting with the stories in order. But, really, Daphne and Simon could have resolved their story without the forced pregnancy.

Carrie G
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/23/2020 10:55 am

It actually doesn’t surprise me. It’s the only controversial thing about the book, so I figured it would be included in some way.

Anonymous
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12/21/2020 11:30 pm

I read this book years ago so I may have some details wrong.

I get the outrage over the forced impregnation scene. It’s pretty shocking when it happens in the book, but I felt the blame was pretty equally shared. Simon did tell Daphne he didn’t want children, but then he DID marry her, and in that time, given his position, everyone in the world will expect them to have children. And what’s more, if there are no kids, Daphne was likely to get the blame. He didn’t seem to care one bit that everyone would be talking about her failure to provide an heir.

Simon was somewhat ridiculous for not wanting kids as a way to spite his father…who is dead and would never know whether he had zero kids or ten. OK, some PTSD from the emotional abuse, but still.
It seemed particularly dumb after he spent time with the Bridgertons, a big happy loving family, and knew how much Daphne wanted to have kids. He could have guessed that any children of his would have a childhood more like hers than his, with her as their mother.
The final thing is that he outright lies to Daphne about sex. Of course she was angry and wanted to retaliate when she found out.

Daphne just struck me as a blank canvas. Young, handsome, and rich. There isn’t much in her life’s ambition except getting married and having children. When people find out they’ve been cheated out of the only thing they’ve ever wanted… Well, this didn’t look any worse to me than some of the transactional sex (ie, give me an heir and I’ll give you a divorce) or the sex-as-revenge/payback plots authors still use.

One thing I do remember: Violet Bridgerton, who is supposedly the most devoted adoring mama in London, who had a loving and obviously sexual marriage, does an F- job of preparing her daughter for marriage and sex. I realize this was done to clear the way for Simon to deceive Daphne but it felt like a big hole in Violet’s characterization.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Anonymous
12/22/2020 7:51 am

Yes to the bit about Violet. And in later books, they talk about how much she bollocked it up!

Dabney Grinnan
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12/19/2020 8:07 pm
Kari S.
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12/15/2020 10:00 pm

I believe I only read this once, a sure sign that it wasn’t a favorite. Both Simon and Daphne were annoying, though I warmed up to them in later books. I felt that Simon’s rationale for not having kids was pretty flimsy.

My favorite of the other volumes I’ve read (Anthony, Benedict and Colin) is The Viscount who Loved Me. I adore Anthony, and Kate is such an everyday heroine whom you can relate to. Not gorgeous, just ordinary, and I love the dog (even though I’m primarily a cat person). I’m looking forward to reading the next review.

I don’t read much HR these days and lost interest in the Bridgertons after awhile. I liked Colin (maybe because I love the name) but his novel doesn’t resonate with me the way Anthony’s does. Benedict’s story bothered me because he was taking advantage of the heroine when she was basically in the position of a servant and had no recourse if she got pregnant. Though I loved the way Benedict’s family supported her against her stepmother. (Stepmother: “I’m higher ranking than you are.” Violet: “But I am more popular.”)

Lil
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12/15/2020 9:43 am

Not my favorite of the Bridgerton books, Quite apart from Daphne’s arrogant behavior, I had trouble with Simon. The “I will never have children in order to punish my dead father” motivation has always struck me as, well, dumb.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Lil
12/15/2020 9:51 am

This is my feeling as well. Simon just isn’t much of a hero to me.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/15/2020 12:12 pm

Yes, not my cup of tea. I’m interested to see what Shondaland makes of it all. I was surprised that this book is going to be the entire season.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/15/2020 12:17 pm

Well, it’s really an introduction to all the Bridgertons and their world.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/15/2020 12:31 pm

I suspect they may borrow from other books and start setting up future seasons or else they pad this one a great deal. I think I saw a glimpse of a same sex couple in the preview for The Bridgertons and I didn’t see anyone in this book who fits that description. Maybe it’s a hint from a book further down the line?

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/15/2020 4:12 pm

I think it will end up being “inspired by” Julia Quinn’s Bridgerton series.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/15/2020 5:15 pm

The costumes look “inspired by” too. They’re very, very pretty but every innocent young Miss is decked out in more tiaras and jewels to attend a function than Josephine at her coronation.

Of course I can’t wait!

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/15/2020 5:24 pm

I like the over the top look of it all. It screams FUN. I’m a fan of fun.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/15/2020 6:59 pm

Oh heavens yes, I am all about the fun this year! I want sparkle and flirtation galore.

Carrie G
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/15/2020 7:56 pm

I was reading today that the “over the top” choices were very deliberate. In short, the feeling is that Quinn plays fast and loose with the historical time period for her own ends (that was not a complaint) and the series uses that same idea, of blending time periods and attitudes to tell a wonderful story, rather than an historically accurate one.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Lil
12/15/2020 12:11 pm

Yes for a genius, he’s a dope. And a jerk IMHO.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/15/2020 12:17 pm

I don’t think of him as a genius. What proof does Quinn offer?

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/15/2020 12:21 pm

Am I conflating books? I thought he didn’t talk but started reading very early and went on to excel at school at the prodigy type level. Maybe I’m mixing in part of a Carla Kelly book with a genius hero I just read too.

Trish
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/15/2020 2:43 pm

Which Carla Kelly?

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Trish
12/15/2020 5:13 pm

It was a novella- a precursor to her series with Sailing Master Able Six that tells of his romance with his (eventual) wife. It’s called the Christmas Angle (Geometry pun) in the collection A Country Christmas (Timeless Regency Collection Book 5). I really enjoyed it and am going to start the series now.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/15/2020 12:27 pm

I went back to check. He’s reading and writing at 4, then at Oxford he gets a “reputation as a scholar and a rake”. He goes on to take a first in mathematics there so I guess not a genius, but certainly supposed to be above average in intelligence and a “scholar”.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/15/2020 4:13 pm

No memory of that at all.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/15/2020 6:58 pm

Well he certainly doesn’t act like one. And if he’s so afraid of having kids he really needs to find better birth control.

Natalie
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12/15/2020 9:39 am

On my goodreads the book is marked as read with 2 stars but I don’t remember anything about it. I guess it was just meh.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Natalie
12/15/2020 10:55 am

I didn’t really care for it either. I’m surprised this is the book that kicked off such a beloved series. Fingers crossed for the next one. I’m not a fan so far.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/15/2020 11:06 am

It’s because it’s book one. She wrote one a year.

Trish
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12/15/2020 9:00 am

Lady Danbury actually stomped her way through an earlier book, How to Marry a Marquis. JQ must have felt that she had that magic something-a fantastic creation- that she brought her into the following Bridgerton books.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Trish
12/15/2020 9:09 am

I’m not sure I read that one. heads to Goodreads to check

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/15/2020 9:14 am

I HAVE read it–I somehow thought it came after the Bridgertons.

Bunny Planet Babe
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12/15/2020 8:00 am

In my view, what Daphne does is OK. Simon isn’t honest, the way he abuses the truth about how having kids works is unfair. He takes advantage of the stupidity that time liked in women, and for a woman like D, kids are her life. She’s a victim too.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Bunny Planet Babe
12/15/2020 10:53 am

I recently read this for the first time (even though I’ve apparently owned it for years) and I’ve seen that people mostly blame Daphne.

I guess I’m in the middle because I blame both of them. What Daphne does is awful but it seems like she gets all the blame. I think Simon is probably more awful in his way. He uses, lies and manipulates Daphne terribly, relying on her innocence and ignorance which is no better. I get that he has his own issues but I think they are BOTH wrong.

I don’t say that to excuse Daphne. Two wrongs certainly don’t make a right. But I think you have to look at the relationship and the situation as a whole. Simon isn’t some innocent guy who is taken advantage of. He’s incredibly manipulative and deceitful. If he thought everything he was doing was morally defensible he wouldn’t have lied to Daphne about everything to do with children and their private life.

I also am hesitant to describe what happens between them as a “rape”. Simon is under the influence-but he is very enthusiastic as he always is (for someone who is adamant about NEVER having kids he isn’t running out to get condoms, saying he’s not in the mood or abstinent and he’s relying on a risky method of birth control).

I think Quinn makes it very clear the issue isn’t he doesn’t want to have sex- but he doesn’t want to have kids. Tipsy or sober there is no question Simon wanted to have sex with Daphne- he just wants to control who decides if there are children. When Simon has the upper hand he manipulates their sex so he’s pulling out to prevent conception and Daphne doesn’t understand what he’s doing. When Daphne finally understands she forces him to complete the act one time but can only do this because Simon is drunk enough that his reflexes are impaired (but not so drunk he doesn’t want to have sex, know that they are and remember at the end that he wants to disengage before conception).

That’s a lot to break down but I’m interpreting it as If Simon had enough capacity to try to end the sex, (which he does) he would have had enough capacity to say no if he didn’t want to engage in sex. It’s not rape per se on Daphne’s part but it’s more like “forced conception” which is also bad.

I guess my conclusion is you have a guy who has a lot of issues and a young woman who has been kept ignorant by her family and completely manipulated and kind of used by her husband and together it made a bad situation.

Also, I didn’t really love this book overall (I thought the whole story with Simon and his father was nonsensical) and I’m going to hope that the series gets better.

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Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/15/2020 11:06 am

I–shocker!–agree with you about all this. I used the phrase forced impregnation–that feels more accurate to me than rape.

I’m not wild about this book because Simon is an ass for far too much of it and Daphne is a big baby. I do think the series improves–I love The Viscount Who Loved Me, Romancing Mr. Bridgerton, and When He Was Wicked.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
12/15/2020 12:10 pm

Yes, it’s more than just a case of “he was wrong” or “she was wrong” it’s just a big old stew of wrong. I love your summation “he’s an ass, she’s a big baby”. Agreed! It should have been the tag line for the book.

I think I read Romancing Mr Bridgerton when it came out but it didn’t leave an impression because I hadn’t read the lead up books. I’m trying the next one in the series because I own it and I’ll see if it grabs me.

Carrie G
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/15/2020 12:51 pm

Another shocker!! I agree with you, too! Neither Simon nor Daphne is blameless, and although I thought the her deception was way to close to the line for comfort, I don’t call it rape. I do call it rape in This Heart of Mine. SEP’s books didn’t hold up well for me when I tried them again this spring.

Chrisreader
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Reply to  Carrie G
12/15/2020 1:16 pm

Yes, I agree totally re: This Heart of Mine. In that Kevin clearly didn’t not want to or intend to have sex and it’s definitely rape.

In this one Simon definitely wanted to have sex with Daphne, always wanted to and only objected to conception. It was still a crappy thing for Daphne to do and it’s far, far out of my comfort zone but it’s not the same thing as the SEP situation and I wouldn’t label it the same at all.

Bunny Planet Babe
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Reply to  Chrisreader
12/15/2020 4:20 pm

Maybe if there are degrees of rape, like we’ve got for violent crimes. All rapes are not the same. For an attack, Molly’s was mild..

Carrie G
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Reply to  Bunny Planet Babe
12/15/2020 7:53 pm

Taking away someone’s choice and forcing physical intimacy on them, even without physical violence isn’t mild, imo. Coercion is also rape. Rape can be very seductive and gentle, as is often the case with predators grooming younger victims. If you switched the roles in SEP’s story you’d have a man going in and having nonconcentual sex with a sleeping woman, and that is very clearly rape, and nothing mild about it.

Elaine S
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12/15/2020 6:27 am

I read the book years ago and several of the following stories but lost interest and frankly they weren’t memorable for me. I await reaction after this series commences as I wonder if the casting and screenplay will satisfy those who actually did read the book(s).

Cece
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12/15/2020 2:59 am

Yeah, I hate this book.

Broadly, I don’t have a problem with depictions of rape in romance. I’ve read dark romances which deal explicitly with rape fantasies. When I pick up a certain generation of Old School romances, I go in with eyes wide open and understand that there may be scenes of dubious/non-consent that were socially acceptable at the time of publication. And I’m straight-up fascinated by a subset of 90s romances that boldly explore the continuum between sexual assault and sexual pleasure (Patricia Gaffney’s To Have and To Hold in 1995; Judith Ivory’s The Proposition in 1999) in a way that bridges the gap between older bodice rippers and our newer ideas around enthusiastic consent.

And yet, I find The Duke and I slightly repulsive. Like Blackjack, I was charmed by the novel’s light touch and sweetly comic tone, which I think made the rape scene that much more harrowing. I felt tricked…quite like Simon himself is. Then, despite the novel’s publication in 2000, the text never holds Daphne accountable for her violation of Simon. In fact, he is framed as the villain for refusing to impregnate her and failing to educate her about conception. It’s not just a grotesque scene of sexual assault, it’s also blatantly victim-blaming.

Eventually, Quinn’s admirably effervescent voice reemerges, but it only makes the events depicted seem that much more sinister, as if the sexual assault of men by women is part of the joke.

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Reply to  Cece
12/15/2020 7:13 am

It’s my bet that the TV show will not include Daphne’s forcible impregnation.

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10/15/2020 3:08 pm

This book is good, I could not call it great because a certain incident. I had never read Julia Quinn before, but I started because I heard about the Shonda Rhimes show. I usually read Contemporary Romance, but I liked this. I love the wit, humor, and romance. I enjoyed the story does not end with happily ever after, but show Simon and Daphne learning how to live and really love each other. I plan to read the rest of the series.

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Simone Francois
10/15/2020 3:11 pm

Enjoy. Some of the books in it are among my favorite in light historical romance!

Dabney Grinnan
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10/15/2020 2:06 pm

This comes out on the 25th of December and I, for one, can’t wait!!

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AlwaysReading
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10/15/2020 2:25 pm

Omg!!! I cannot wait for this – is it being produced by Shonda Rhimes? Or have I made that up? I absolutely love the Bridgertons!

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Reply to  Dabney Grinnan
10/15/2020 2:39 pm

It will be interesting to see how they handle the consent issue referenced in the discussion above . . . When I wrote my comment above about this first book in the series, I had no recollection of the specifics. But clearly other readers have called it out. Will Netflix adhere to the book as written? Or modify the plot for a different time/audience?

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Reply to  nblibgirl
10/15/2020 3:13 pm

I would be willing to bet that that scene will not be in the show. It’s not, I don’t think, based exactly on each book and I so doubt they’ll include that in today’s era. Which, IMHO, is a good thing.

Lisa Fernandes
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10/16/2020 1:20 am

I’m so excited for this show! (Though I join everyone in hoping the dubcon scene is not included)

Pamela Jolly
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10/19/2019 6:01 pm

I love this book and recently reread, then perchance, went to good reads and was shocked to see many negative reviews! Apparently many people felt she essentially raped her husband. Which I find interesting. I guess it’s a generational thing. I still enjoyed the book.

Dabney Grinnan
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07/13/2019 1:56 pm

I’m willing to take my cues from Simon. If he can forgive Daphne, so can I.

Eggletina
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07/10/2019 7:51 pm

Did you see where they’ve announced the cast of the Netflix adaptation today?

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  Eggletina
07/11/2019 2:51 pm

Yep. Looks GREAT!

nblibgirl
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02/11/2018 11:26 pm

I read this more than a decade ago and don’t remember much about it except that I didn’t get what all the excitement was about. My memory is that it was an ok/so-so read.

But I loved Romancing Mr. Bridgerton. I’ve often wondered if this one ranks so high in the list because it was the first title in a series that has one or more favorites – not necessarily that this title is so people’s favorite?

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  nblibgirl
02/12/2018 8:08 am

Romancing Mr. Bridgerton is my favorite in the series too. And I think you’re onto something about this being the first in this series. I think it’s actually a very uneven series!

Blackjack
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02/09/2018 4:38 am

I remember finding much of this book charming…right up until the non-consensual sex incident. Hard to give that a pass or explain it away. I feel manipulated too that the author employs a baby and a woman’s desire for a baby as an excuse for what is basically a violation of another person’s ability to consent. I put this in the same boat as I did SEP’s This Heart of Mine, especially in that both books find a way to endorse the act because a baby is introduced into the story. I generally just feel a bit icky about this late plot development here, and so I don’t find this book palatable.

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02/09/2018 8:14 am

This was my reaction too. I was so furious with this book. And not only did the rape ruin the book in general, it also ruined the first part of the story that I’d previously enjoyed, because it made me view Daphne’s behaviour in a new light. She never respects Simon’s boundaries; he tells her from the very beginning that he’s not marriage material, that he’s not right for her, that he can’t give her what she wants, and she doesn’t listen, storms ahead anyway, and we’re all supposed to applaud her because she’s a woman Going After What She Wants, and he has pants feelings for her which makes it all okay. And then of course she never apologises even for raping him, no, no, HE has to apologise and grovel, and he’s an abuse survivor, that’s all he knows,… No. Just no.

…apparently I STILL get furious thinking about this book, yikes. It’s not just the rape, although that’s the most blatant thing. It’s the justification, gaslighting, the fact that in retrospect, Daphne’s behaviour reads abusive to me, and that with his background, SImon is especially vulnerable to that.

When I read this one, I’d already bought the first four books of the Bridgerton series, so I went ahead and read the next three, but I felt icky about it, and I haven’t been able to read Julia Quinn since. I just don’t trust her now. It’s a shame; I liked her earlier stuff.

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Reply to  Anonymous
02/09/2018 2:36 pm

You should check out our Winsome or Loathsome blog on Daphne.

https://allaboutromance.com/winsome-or-loathsome-daphne-bridgerton/

Dabney Grinnan
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Reply to  CarolineAAR
02/09/2018 2:58 pm

We need to do more of these. They are so interesting.

Blackjack
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Reply to  Anonymous
02/09/2018 5:25 pm

@anonymous – The “justification and gaslighting” you mention are the elements I actively look for in just about any romance I read. I want to know what an author is endorsing or asking us as readers to accept. When serious issues emerge and then are bruhed away because a happy ever after is needed or a baby is on the way, and there are no repercussions for damaging and denigrating behaviors, it feels manipulative to me. In this case, I particularly just find the emergence of a baby as a plot device extremely troubling. Also, women are far too often portrayed as nurturers craving babies and so in the goal of having one, there is apparently no behavior too reprehensible.

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Reply to  Blackjack
02/09/2018 8:19 pm

I’ve never read “The Duke and I” but this is the same problem I have with SEP”s “Nobody’s Baby But Mine”. Though the heroine in this book seems to be likeable in the beginning, Jane in NBBM is IMHO absolutely horrible. But bring a baby into it and the heroine is automatically excused of everything a hero would be hanged for.

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Reply to  Chrisreader
02/10/2018 9:30 am

The hypocrisy of it bothers me too. A lot.

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Reply to  Blackjack
02/10/2018 9:28 am

Me too! Actually I think this book specifically had an impact on how I look for and evaluate this kind of thing. It was one of the first romance novels I’d read, and it left me just a bit skittish about how romances are portrayed when one party is all in early and the other is less sure. I find that a lot of the time, the author sort of excuses overly pushy behaviour on the part of one person because hey, romance novel, obviously they’re meant to be together, so one party’s resistance is obviously ridiculous. That really doesn’t sit well with me. It’s sort of on the same lazy level as an author portraying all women but the heroine as evil psychos. But I think I’ve become more sensitive to this because of Daphne’s behaviour in this book, because I was willing to go along with it up until the rape, and then suddenly it all felt different. So now more subtle versions of this kind of thing ping that radar for me.

Lisa Fernandes
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Reply to  Blackjack
02/11/2018 12:12 am

Pretty much how I feel about the book. I read around it when I revisit the Bridgertons.

Keira Soleore
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02/09/2018 12:56 am

I enjoyed reading this review and reflecting back on the book. I was lucky to read the Bridgertons in order, but this one remains special as the first one of a great series.