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A Guest Pandora’s Box: Judith Ivory’s Beast

Hello everyone and welcome to the first in what we hope will be on-going series here on the AAR blog. Every month or so we’re going to choose a romance and have a discussion about it, we being Elisabeth Lane (of Cooking Up Romance), a long-time romance reader who now creates recipes inspired by books and then blogs about it, and Alexis Hall, a relative newcomer to the romance genre, whose other hobbies involve hats, swords and tea (though rarely together).


In this Pandora’s Box guest bloggers Alexis Hall and Elisabeth Lane discuss Beast by Judith Ivory, published in 1997. It’s a beauty and the beast type story featuring a beautiful American heiress, Louise Vandermeer, and her husband-to-be, a French prince and – of all things – perfumier,  Charles d’Harcourt.  The first part of the book is set aboard a cruise ship during a storm: concerned for his future wife’s fidelity, Charles decides to woo her in disguise, a “joke” that backfires when they discover they have a real connection. The second part of the book is set in France, after they’re married, as they have to deal with the fallout of this Very Stupid Idea.

AJH: So, Elisabeth: broad impressions. How’d you find it?

Elisabeth: I was blown away by this book. It’s unconventional in pretty much all the ways. And I think sometimes the danger of that is that the romance can get lost. But it’s also, I thought, incredibly romantic. You have this anonymous shipboard romance in the first half and then this marriage-in-trouble romance in the second half and the two pieces still manage to work well together to create an incredibly satisfying whole. What did you think?

AJH: I agree. I thought it was glorious, for all the reasons you mention. And it was just stuffed full of things I Really Like. I have kind of a weakness for beautiful heroines, partially because beautiful people (especially beautiful women) are usually cast as antagonists to the nice/witty protagonist with the fine eyes, but also because there seems to be this myth that being beautiful will solve all your problems and make you powerful and this isn’t something the rest of us can identify with or be interested in. But most the truly beautiful people I’ve met have actually suffered a great deal for it. It’s certainly power that comes with a cost. But I felt this was a really compassionate, subtle portrait of a complex woman, and being beautiful is something she herself to navigate and think about. It’s even got this proto-NA vibe in a way because she’s eighteen years old and has no idea who she is or how to become someone she likes or live a life she wants to live. And I was actually quite intrigued by the hero too. I thought he was a dick in new and unusual and really rather compelling ways.

Elisabeth: Wow. You thought he was a dick? I mean, I guess I can sort of see that. But, aside from Louise’s beauty, her main defining feature is that she’s been sheltered to death by her parents and is desperate for adventure. She says at one point that “there is a real seduction to having someone listen and know you, accept you just as you are” and I think that, in addition to the frankly mind-blowing sex, is what he offers her. At her desire. And he demands enthusiastic consent from her in the process.

AJH: I said he was a dick in new, unusual and compelling ways – that was a compliment! But I’d suggest there’s an extent to which consent is already compromised when you’re pretending to be someone else…. although, to be fair, I don’t think the book is recommending this as a seduction strategy. He’s very aware of what an incredible mess he’s making of everything, how problematic his own behaviour is, and the consequences of what he does on both are them are far-reaching and long-lasting.

Elisabeth: The first thing I noticed about Charles is just how closely he corresponds to the Beauty and the Beast fairytale conception. It seems every adaptation I’ve read (and I’ve read lots because it’s my FAVORITE) refers to the Beast’s problems his eyesight–in this case a lack of depth perception. In Charles’ case, it’s because of a birth defect that has blinded him in one eye. Plus there’s the sense of smell thing. He has a preternaturally keen sense of smell.

AJH: Beauty and the Beast is also my FAVOURITE but, honestly, the short-sightedness thing is an element of the story I’ve largely failed to note. For me, Charles was quite refreshing as a Beast-archetype because he wasn’t hideously scarred and living alone in a dark castle somewhere. In my admittedly more limited experience, beasty romance heroes are very explicitly perceived and presented as monstrous, whereas he is very overtly sexy and sexual, and a lot of his ‘beastliness’ is – as you’ve said – is less explicit: it’s his sense of smell, and his temper, and his pride.

Elisabeth: His psychology is definitely fascinating. He’s not a very reliable narrator of his own internal monologue. He’s so insecure. And yet also so confident. I can’t help but think it’s almost of the “fake it til you make it” variety. And he has largely succeeded. Well, until he meets Louise. Which brings his childhood insecurities back with a vengeance–all the problems he had relating to girls his own age growing up. Especially the pretty ones.

AJH: I think Charles and Louise are both fascinating, actually. I thought the character work through the whole novel was … amazingly deft, especially because Ivory doesn’t flinch from making them both deeply unpleasant in a lot of (very human and understandable ways). What really struck me about the fairytale aspects of the story was that, really, they’re both Beauty and they’re both the Beast, fantastical outsiders in what is otherwise quite an everyday world.

Elisabeth: Fantastical outsiders? I’m not sure I understand what you mean.

AJH: Well they’re both marked by a physicality that makes them striking (Louise for her beauty, Charles for his virility … I guess?) and they’re both at once empowered and limited and defined by that. They’re both kind of frightening, to themselves and to each other, both insecure, both lonely, both rather savage and rather cruel, and she’s “faking it til she makes it” just like he is. I felt rather than being a Beauty and the Beast story where one character (the heroine) is Beauty and the other character (the hero) is Beast, they embodied aspects of both – revealing those archetypes to be, not opposites, but ultimately the same.

Elisabeth: I think that tends to be true of all the best Beauty and the Beast stories–where each character is revealed to have aspects of both. Though this is a really great example, for sure, and I think Ivory’s writing in general is just first-rate. There have been some discussions lately about prose quality in romance and so I guess that’s why I was focused a lot on the writing specifically when I was reading. But there’s a fluidity to her transitions between scenes that struck me as uncommon. There’s this one scene early on when Louise shows up to Charles’ stateroom slightly sloshed. But there’s a chapter break in there. And I feel like a lot of writers would have…well…forgotten that Louise had already been drinking. It’s a relatively trivial example, but the book is just loaded with them.

AJH: I agree – there’s definitely a kind of ornate density to her prose. I could also why someone might be inclined to see it as florid, but I found it incredibly compelling and effective.

Elisabeth: It’s interesting that you use the word florid. I can certainly see where someone might say she’s indulging in “purple prose”. But it’s one of those things about romance that I think is endemic to the genre. There’s an emotional quality to prose that has a lushness, which is sometimes denigrated. But I think it’s hard to argue that it doesn’t have power. Out of context, it’s easy to make fun of. But within the framework of a love story, it’s just one way to enhance the impact of these people on each other and on the reader.

AJH: It really worked for me. I was often very taken by how vivid it was. The imagery around Louise, in particular, is so redolent of sensuality and wealth: at one point she’s described as wearing a necklace of black pearls that look like caviar. I thought that was so striking. Although there was actually a moment in the story when I was like “ohmygodtoomuch!” It’s the scene at the end where Charles gives Louise a necklace of black pearls (to replace the ones she lost on the ship) and she has a strong negative reaction to them. As a consequence, the prose becomes almost unbearable – the sheer weight of the words bearing down on you. But, again, when I took a step back, I realised just how well that scene had been constructed, and the way the language both framed and reflected Louise’s fear and confusion:

The necklace’s miserable clasp had eighty-seven pieces to it. It was hard and sharp-edged and tiny. Her blasted hair was everywhere, in the way, snarling through a pearl-strung nightmare. A heavy, slithering strand, parted over one breast, a cord that swayed, as slick as glass, all but alive, licking, flicker-tongued, to her waist, looping.

Elisabeth: It’s interesting that you noticed that. I…um…didn’t. I think I’ve just been reading romance for so long that I don’t even question that stuff any more, but looking back at the passage you’re describing, I can see that you’re obviously right. I just thought it of it as a particularly emotional scene. One that should have been the pivotal scene really, but felt broken into two parts. The ending felt fractured to me, which is one of my few criticisms of the book.

AJH: How so?

Elisabeth: I just got very impatient with Charles and Louise at the end. There’s this moment where Louise had figured out the truth of their interactions on the ship, but Charles is unwilling to admit what he’d done. His admission comes right at the end, right when it’s almost too late and Louise is ready to give up on him. Some of the crisis happened too late for me.

AJH: I can see why you felt that, but I was pretty satisfied by it. My favourite line in the whole book is when Charles says to Louise “I want you to choose me. Freely. I want you to come at me headlong with all the force of your steely will.” It’s swoonishly romantic but it also seemed important to me that the ending of the book was … a choice for Louise? Like she actually gets to do that. Not just be swept away in a tide of strong feelz and revelations and forgiveness. So the scene that felt-like-the-climax-but-wasn’t didn’t trouble me. But you said that was one of your few criticisms. What were the others? I have to confess I read it in a tide of joy and didn’t really have any.

Elisabeth: What kept cropping up for me, particularly in the first half of the book, were these vaguely uncomfortable concerns about cultural appropriation. It’s something that I had a hard time wrapping my head around since it has this white hero pretending to be not white for his own purposes.

AJH: Well, I don’t think it’s meant to be okay?

Elisabeth: Well, I agree with that ultimately, but it was a close thing for me.  It seems to me that Ivory is at least aware of what she’s up to. Louise does go to the ship’s library and attempt to learn more about the supposed culture of her “Arab” lover. And there’s an acknowledgement in the way Ivory describes this research Louise does in the ship’s library when she discovers her lover’s Arab identity–”all interpreted through Western prejudice” as Ivory says–that seems to indicate she understands the potential for giving offense. And then again at the end where I might be reading too much into this–“Her pasha, for God’s sake. Why did women think this way?”–but maybe seems like…a dig at romance’s propensity for, well, fetishizing Sheikhs.

AJH: I did wonder if that was a reference to the Sheikh romance thing. And I did also tilt my head a bit about the whole Arab-disguise subplot. Obviously, I can see that for some readers it might just be a straight up No Go area in the sense that it’s just objectively wrong  to appropriate another culture in that way, even if you’re aware that it’s wrong. I mean, there was really no reason Charles couldn’t have disguised himself as A Different White Dude. For me though, like you, there were a couple of mitigating factors that didn’t make it too awful (but this is just me – someone else’s mileage may vary) which is the awareness you mention. And there’s also the fact the whole ruse is only possible because they’re both vastly ignorant, and his ignorance is regularly demonstrated. Like when Charles orders champagne. While pretending to be a Muslim. Cough.

Elisabeth: That’s something that consistently trips me up when it comes to Sheikh romance. It’s rare to find one that I think handles the religious questions well or fairly.

AJH: I confess, it’s not a subgenre I’ve much explored. I’m a bit nervous of it for, well, the reasons you mention above. How do you find it?

Elisabeth: Well, to tell you the truth, I’ve only read half a dozen myself and have yet to find one that didn’t push one button or another. I’m open to suggestions to though if anyone out there has one they particularly favor.

AJH: Any final thoughts on Beast?

Elisabeth: Mainly that as with most authors I end up adoring, I just love Ivory’s sense of humor. There are these little jokes and ironies sprinkled throughout that just make the book enormously fun and engaging. Otherwise I think we’ve pretty well covered it. I have to go glom the rest of Ivory’s backlist now.

AJH: I loved it, but I’m a fan of Ivory in general. There’s so many little details in this book that delighted me – I adored the ways she played on the fairytale, and our expectations of it, and I thought ambergris worked really well as a ‘rose’ symbol substitute. And I am just a sucker for Unsympathetic People Romances. Which isn’t to say that either Louise or Charles are that awful, it’s just they’re full of unglamously human flaws and insecurities. And I totally dig that stuff.


We hope you’ll join us in the comments for more discussion of Beast because, honestly, we had real trouble stopping talking about it.

And if you want to read-along at home, next month we’ll be looking at: Getting Dirty by Erin Nichols.

Thanks,

Elisabeth and Alexis

 

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Lori Johnson
Lori Johnson
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02/10/2015 3:32 am

Will she ever write more?

AJH
AJH
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Reply to  Lori Johnson
02/12/2015 3:29 pm

Someone on Twitter was saying something about health problems :(

But even if she doesn’t, it’s one hell of a collection.

Helena Fairfax
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02/08/2015 6:26 am

Thanks so much for the interesting discussion. I just downloaded Judith Ivory’s book and am looking forward to reading it. Beauty and the Beast is also my FAVOURITE and I love a dollop of purple prose. Looking forward to the next Pandora’s Box!

AJH
AJH
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Reply to  Helena Fairfax
02/12/2015 3:28 pm

Eeee, I hope you enjoy it. I think her prose is wonderful – very rich and dense – and if people call that purple, well, screw them :)

This is definitely one of my favourites of hers but I don’t think you can go with wrong with Judith Ivory.

Helena Fairfax
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Reply to  AJH
03/01/2015 10:10 am

I just finished Beast, and I did love it very much. Thanks so much for the recommendation. I just read back over your discussion and a couple of lines that struck you struck me also: “”…with all the force of your steely will,”” and “”Her pasha, for God’s sake. Why did women think this way?”” There were other lines, too, too many to mention.
I also liked the way the author kept describing how ugly ambergris is to look at, and yet how prized it is. I wondered if she’d decided on this imagery before beginning the story, and if this was why she made Charles a perfumier. I suspect it was so, and I loved the symbolism of it. It was a great read.

Pam/Peejakers
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02/06/2015 4:15 pm

Oh my gosh, you guys! I love this discussion!

I’m a definite fan of what some people call “purple-prose”. By which I just mean, writing that is very rich with sensual & emotional imagery. I’ve never associated “purple” with 1970’s style romance novels, the term has a history that predates that. But it really annoys me that it’s used as a pejorative. It can be done badly, like anything else, and then it’s like a joke, a parody of itself. But I think when it’s done well, when it’s lush & lyrical & beautiful – what’s not to like, for heaven’s sake?! To me, criticizing that can be sort of like . . . seeing a breathtakingly gorgeous person or scenery & going, oh, no, that’s too much.

And maybe “”purple”” is intended to convey those times when it is done badly. But to me it feels like it’s become more than that, that it’s being used to pass value judgments on writing styles. It feels like there’s this idea that less is always better than more. But who says that’s true? I really think that’s just a backlash against some literary excesses of the past, where maybe the worst kind of “”purple”” writing were in vogue. But I think there’s room for all kinds of different writing styles & they can all be good & esthetically pleasing in different ways.

Besides, I resent the use of the word “”purple”” to mean anything negative; it’s too beautiful a color for that :)

Anyway, I haven’t read this, or anything by Ivory, so I rushed right over to Amazon & got it. Thanks for the great discussion of this book!

AJH
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Reply to  Pam/Peejakers
02/12/2015 3:43 pm

Eee, thank you Pam – so happy you enjoyed it.

I agree with you about purple prose. Again, I’m far from an expert on the history of the term, or how it gets used, but my general feeling is that it’s sort of gone from referring to a particular type of excessive writing (Bulwer Lytton style) and become an inherently derogatory dismissal of a particular style of writing – specifically if its emotional or ornate (and, again, not to over-gender this but since romance writing tends to be about emotions … and the majority of romance writers are women … well … that seems pretty telling to me).

Under those restrictive terms, I could see why Ivory could theoretically be seen as “”purple”” – her writing *is* vivid, lush, dense, emotional, always on the edge of excess but in this perfectly controlled way. But it’s just a style, one she deploys really effectively. I loved it :)

I hope you like the book :)

Jackie Horne
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02/06/2015 12:00 pm

Interesting post, Elisabeth & Alexis. E, I was surprised to find you labelling Ivory’s prose as “”purple.”” To me, she’s one of the best prose stylists in the genre, nothing like the purpose prose writing of the more euphemism-ridden, over-the-top embarrassing variety in so much 70s and 80s historical romance. What makes prose “”purple”” to you?

Jackie Horne
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Reply to  Jackie Horne
02/06/2015 12:35 pm

Sorry, that was “”purple,”” not “”purpose.””

Elisabeth Lane
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Reply to  Jackie Horne
02/06/2015 12:56 pm

Hopefully Alexis will chime in here too, but since I’m the one who actually trotted out “”purple prose”” (which isn’t a negative term for me, by the way), I’ll just say what I meant.

Granted there’s no “”quivering member””, but I thought the passage Alexis quoted was a good example. It’s like there’s this switch that flips when Ivory gets to more emotionally laden scenes and since he pointed it out, I’ve been noticing it in other books as well. Alyssa Cole’s Radio Silence does it, for example. There’s a signal if you’re looking for it (which I never had been before), a ramping up of language, that says, “”Heavy, Emotionally Important Stuff Ahead””. In Radio Silence, there’s hooded eyes and a gaze like spun honey. That “”heavy, slithering strand”” above. Where the rest of the narrative style is more forthright, getting the reader from place to place and scene to scene without hooding and slithering.

I’m certainly not criticizing the prose. I think the purple label gets tossed out by critics seeking to denigrate and so maybe that’s not the best term to use since it’s got such negative connotations to the litcrit community. I guess I’m just interested ferreting out its stylistic function because it doesn’t appear to be unusual or accidental.

AJH
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Reply to  Elisabeth Lane
02/06/2015 2:11 pm

Basically just saying: yes, what, Elisabeth says :)

I really love Ivory’s writing…though I do her find her prose consciously stylised, and it can be very ornate sometimes – especially when she’s going for emotional impact, like the bit we quoted about the pearls.

I think we got into purple prose because we could both imagine situations in which some readers might view those traits – that depth and density of language – as possibly purple-ish. Elisabeth had just directed me to this post by Emma Barry: http://authoremmabarry.com/2015/01/19/purple-haze/ so I think we were both quite focused on the language, both how its used and how could be perceived.

I think perhaps people inclined to denigrate certain ‘types’ of prose as purple wouldn’t make the type of distinctions you mention: in my admittedly fairly basic understanding, I think excess and a certain flamboyance are often seen as purple, not just quivering honey caverns and plundering manroots.

I wouldn’t say there was anything purple about Ivory myself but I’d definitely say she was baroque.

Jackie Horne
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Reply to  Elisabeth Lane
02/09/2015 5:09 pm

So, your comments about purple prose got me wondering about the origin of the term. The trusty OED tells an interesting story, which I think I will write about on RNFF later this week! Suffice it to say, the term does not have positive denotations…

AJH
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Reply to  Jackie Horne
02/12/2015 3:45 pm

Ooooh, I look forward to it :)

Blackjack1
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02/06/2015 6:57 am

Great discussion! It’s been a few years since I went on an Ivory-reading spree. One thing that struck me as I read nearly all of her books back-to-back is how different they are from each other. So many romance authors seem to write various versions of the same book over and over, but all of Ivory’s novels stand out so clearly in my mind for their individual idiosyncrasies and unique stories. I found Ivory’s rendition of the Beauty and the Beast fable so original and some of the things that I recall loving the most from _Beast_ include elements discussed above, such as Ivory’s willingness to create blemished characters that are complex in their attributes as well as their frailties. Ivory does justice to both characters and allows each to be flawed equally, and so I never felt that I was pulled strongly to take sides with either character ultimately. I have to admit that I struggled just a bit with the credibility of the shipboard scenes and the anonymity of Charles’s persona. I have to admit I liked it even less when Sherry Thomas (another favorite writer) tried her version of Ivory’s version of the B&B myth in _Ravishing the Heiress_. With respect to Beast though, I recall enjoying the second half of the book where consequences occur. Lots to consider from the discussion above, and I’m left as always just missing Ivory’s continued contribution to the genre.

Elinor Aspen
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Reply to  Blackjack1
02/06/2015 7:40 am

I believe the Sherry Thomas book you mean is Beguiling the Beauty (Ravishing the Heiress was the next book in that series, not the one with the anonymous shipboard affair).

Blackjack1
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Reply to  Elinor Aspen
02/06/2015 6:56 pm

Yes! The first in the series with the shipboard romance was, according to Thomas, meant to be a version of Ivory’s _Beast_.

AJH
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Reply to  Blackjack1
02/06/2015 2:27 pm

I usually take sides because I’m that kind of reader, and I tend to be harsher on heroes than heroines. I think Elisabeth was a lot more sympathetic to Charles than I was, although I did like Charles a lot too. But I found Louise really fascinating and so I was basically on “”her side”” for most of the book.

I agree with you that pretending-to-be-someone else plots are always on the edge of convincing. I think Ivory managed to make the best possible case for it in the sense that as Elisabeth says above Louise is actively searching for adventure and romance, and so is just a tiny bit complicit. Not in being messed around her by own future husband but in allowing and partially orchestrating a situation which is clearly untenable without their equal commitment to sustaining it.

And when they get off the boat, Louise is so determined to keeping her new husband at a distance I could sort of see why she might not recognise him. And I thought her gradual journey to recognition and the moment when it occurs was really well done.

I’ve read quite a few Beauty and the Beast inspired romances: this is definitely one of my favourites.